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Thermo Electron Smart connector
 
Thermo Electron Smart connector
  
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* XLR7 mini?
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*XLR7 mini?
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** No its 7 male pins + 1 HV pin
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**No its 7 male pins + 1 HV pin
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* Manual refers to it as "YP11579050 smart probe harness"
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*Manual refers to it as "YP11579050 smart probe harness"
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* Disassembled more: VIKING … 12
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*Disassembled more: VIKING … 12
  
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= SHP380AB =
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==SHP380AB==
  
 
Connector: calling the connector with 7 male pins and 1 female pins "male" since its predominately male.  This is the connector used on sensors (and meter too probably).  Female HV pin is pin 1.  Looking into the male connector with the female HV socket at the bottom, pin 2 clockwise from it and continues.  The center pin is pin 8.
 
Connector: calling the connector with 7 male pins and 1 female pins "male" since its predominately male.  This is the connector used on sensors (and meter too probably).  Female HV pin is pin 1.  Looking into the male connector with the female HV socket at the bottom, pin 2 clockwise from it and continues.  The center pin is pin 8.
  
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{| class="wikitable sortable" border=1
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{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
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!My pin !!Sch pin !!Sch label !!What !!Color !!Notes |
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!My pin!!Sch pin!!Sch label!!What!!Color!! Notes |
 
|-
 
|-
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| 1 || 1 ||   <br />HV COAX <br /> ||   HV+ ||   Coax-center ||   <br />+800 V nomal <br /> <br />1300 V max <br />  
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|1||1||<br />HV COAX <br />||HV+||Coax-center||<br />+800 V nomal <br /> <br />1300 V max <br />
 
|-
 
|-
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| 2 || 2 || BRAID ||   <br />HV common  <br />  <br />Chassis   ||   Coax-shield ||  
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|2||2||BRAID||<br />HV common  <br />  <br />Chassis||Coax-shield||
 
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|-
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| 3 || 3 || SIGNAL GROUND || 1Wire-GND || White-Black ||  
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|3||3||SIGNAL GROUND||1Wire-GND||White-Black||
 
|-
 
|-
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| 4 || 6 || TOUCH MEMORY || 1Wire-D || White-Red ||  
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|4||6||TOUCH MEMORY||1Wire-D||White-Red||
 
|-
 
|-
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| 5 || 7 || +5V || N/C flying || White-Orange ||  
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|5||7||+5V||N/C flying||White-Orange||
 
|-
 
|-
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| 6 || 8 || NON-MEMORY PROBE || N/C flying || White-Yellow ||  
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|6||8||NON-MEMORY PROBE||N/C flying||White-Yellow||
 
|-
 
|-
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| 7 || 4 || BRAID ||   <br />HV common  <br />  <br />Chassis   ||   Coax-shield ||  
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|7||4||BRAID||<br />HV common  <br />  <br />Chassis||Coax-shield||
 
|-
 
|-
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| 8 || 5 || MEMORY PROBE || 1Wire-GND || White-Green ||  
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|8||5||MEMORY PROBE||1Wire-GND||White-Green||
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
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Power
 
Power
  
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* 70M dynode string draws nominal 11.4 uA @ 800V
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*70M dynode string draws nominal 11.4 uA @ 800V
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* 1300V max
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*1300V max
  
 
[http://www.qsl.net/k0ff/016 Manuals/Eberline/HP-380 and SHP-380/HP-380AB SHP-380AB HP-380A SHP-380A Technical Manual1.pdf Manual link]
 
[http://www.qsl.net/k0ff/016 Manuals/Eberline/HP-380 and SHP-380/HP-380AB SHP-380AB HP-380A SHP-380A Technical Manual1.pdf Manual link]
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Manual
 
Manual
  
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* Typical units
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*Typical units
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** Eberline E-600
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**Eberline E-600
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** Eberline RM-24
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**Eberline RM-24
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* HP: MHV connector, no memory
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*HP: MHV connector, no memory
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* Different phosphor plates
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*Different phosphor plates
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** HP/SHP-380A: single for alpha
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**HP/SHP-380A: single for alpha
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** HP/SHP-380AB: dual for alpha + beta
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**HP/SHP-380AB: dual for alpha + beta
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* Active area: 2.72" x 5.7" => 100 cm<nowiki>*</nowiki><nowiki>*</nowiki>2
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*Active area: 2.72" x 5.7" => 100 cm<nowiki>*</nowiki><nowiki>*</nowiki>2
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* Window thickness
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*Window thickness
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** HP/SHP-380AB: 0.87 mg/cm2 aluminum plastic film
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**HP/SHP-380AB: 0.87 mg/cm2 aluminum plastic film
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** HP/SHP-380A: 0.58 mg/cm2 aluminum plastic film
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**HP/SHP-380A: 0.58 mg/cm2 aluminum plastic film
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** Mylar
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**Mylar
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* Alpha efficiency
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*Alpha efficiency
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** Source: 1/32" plated Pu-239
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**Source: 1/32" plated Pu-239
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** HP/SHP-380AB: 18% typical, 4pi
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**HP/SHP-380AB: 18% typical, 4pi
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** HP/SHP-380A: 21% typical, 4pi
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**HP/SHP-380A: 21% typical, 4pi
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* SHP connector
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*SHP connector
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** Eberline smart probe
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**Eberline smart probe
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** Cable: CA-100-xx
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**Cable: CA-100-xx
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*** xx = length in inches
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***xx = length in inches
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*** 36, 60 standard
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***36, 60 standard
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** Simple HV cable adapter
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**Simple HV cable adapter
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*** CA-99-xx
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***CA-99-xx
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'''** Marketed "MHV to Eberline smart probe" but works for smart probe to MHV as well
 
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*** CA-102-xx: BNC to eberline smart probe
 
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*** CA-103-xx: CP-1 connector
 
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* Recommend no more than 0.25" from aplha source
 
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* WinE600 computer program used to calibrate?
 
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** Sounds like it has automated checkout
 
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* Recommends using lacquer to repair punctured window
 
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* Strongly warns against using solvents on scintilator
 
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* No evidence scintilator is super sensitive to moisure
 
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* Has rough schematic w/ pinout
 
  
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{| class="wikitable sortable" border=1
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'''** Marketed "MHV to Eberline smart probe" but works for smart probe to MHV as well'''
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!Pin !!Label !!Notes |
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***CA-102-xx: BNC to eberline smart probe
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***CA-103-xx: CP-1 connector
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*Recommend no more than 0.25" from aplha source
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*WinE600 computer program used to calibrate?
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**Sounds like it has automated checkout
 +
*Recommends using lacquer to repair punctured window
 +
*Strongly warns against using solvents on scintilator
 +
*No evidence scintilator is super sensitive to moisure
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*Has rough schematic w/ pinout
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{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
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!Pin!!Label!! Notes |
 
|-
 
|-
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| 1 || HV COAX ||  
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|1||HV COAX||
 
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|-
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| 2 || BRAID ||  
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|2||BRAID||
 
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|-
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| 3 || SIGNAL GROUND ||  
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|3||SIGNAL GROUND||
 
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|-
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| 4 || BRAID ||  
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|4||BRAID||
 
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| 5 || MEMORY PROBE ||  
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|5||MEMORY PROBE||
 
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|-
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| 6 || TOUCH MEMORY ||  
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|6||TOUCH MEMORY||
 
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|-
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| 7 || +5V || N/C  If N/C, how is the memory powered?  Unclear above signals  
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|7||+5V||N/C  If N/C, how is the memory powered?  Unclear above signals
 
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| 8 || NON-MEMORY PROBE || N/C  
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|8||NON-MEMORY PROBE||N/C
 
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|}
 
|}
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Probe comes apart very easily by unscrewing either side of the PMT assembly.  PMT markings
 
Probe comes apart very easily by unscrewing either side of the PMT assembly.  PMT markings
  
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* TUBE TYPE: PB29B02H-1
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*TUBE TYPE: PB29B02H-1
  
 
PCB is very simple…basically the resistor chain in the schematic plus two capacitors.  Mixed 0603 resistors + through hole capacitors
 
PCB is very simple…basically the resistor chain in the schematic plus two capacitors.  Mixed 0603 resistors + through hole capacitors
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An iButton!
 
An iButton!
  
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* DS1993L-F5
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*DS1993L-F5
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* IBUTTON MEMORY 4KBit F5
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*IBUTTON MEMORY 4KBit F5
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* [http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1992-DS1993.pdf]
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*[http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1992-DS1993.pdf]
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* BusPirate? [http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/IButton_serial_number]
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*BusPirate? [http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/IButton_serial_number]
  
 
Wire colors
 
Wire colors
  
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* Black: ground
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*Black: ground
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* Red: ibutton-.  Tied to red
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*Red: ibutton-.  Tied to red
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* Yellow: N/C
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*Yellow: N/C
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* Green: ibutton-.  Tied to red
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*Green: ibutton-.  Tied to red
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* Orange
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*Orange
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'''
 
  
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== eBay 1 ==
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<br />
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==eBay 1==
  
 
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermo-Scientific-Smart-Alpha-Beta-Probe-Frisker-Scintillator-Probe-SHP380AB-/201845114800?hash=item2efee807b0:g:RRUAAOSwt5hYY-HF&autorefresh=true Source]
 
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermo-Scientific-Smart-Alpha-Beta-Probe-Frisker-Scintillator-Probe-SHP380AB-/201845114800?hash=item2efee807b0:g:RRUAAOSwt5hYY-HF&autorefresh=true Source]
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Seller has 7 of them.  Wants 300 each
 
Seller has 7 of them.  Wants 300 each
  
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== eBay 2 ==
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==eBay 2==
  
 
Seller had two of them.  Wanted 140 each.  After a bit of back and forth, this is what I purchased 2 @ 120 each.  They might have more…have sold 3 so far, listing 2 at a time
 
Seller had two of them.  Wanted 140 each.  After a bit of back and forth, this is what I purchased 2 @ 120 each.  They might have more…have sold 3 so far, listing 2 at a time
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One has NAVSEADET sticker.  "NAVSEADET stands for Naval Sea Systems Command Detachment".  Mine didn't have it when it arrived, so must have been stock photo from earlier auction
 
One has NAVSEADET sticker.  "NAVSEADET stands for Naval Sea Systems Command Detachment".  Mine didn't have it when it arrived, so must have been stock photo from earlier auction
  
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= E-600 =
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==E-600==
  
 
[http://www.qsl.net/k0ff/016 Manuals/Eberline/E-600/ Bunch of stuff here]
 
[http://www.qsl.net/k0ff/016 Manuals/Eberline/E-600/ Bunch of stuff here]
  
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== eBay 1 ==
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===eBay 1===
  
 
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eberline-E600-Datalogging-Digital-Scaler-Radiation-Monitor-Ratemeter-/322281822039?hash=item4b097e5757:g:rY0AAOSw8gVX8o05&nma=true&si=HVaE3nVG2WUBhIxc+gfwulGC6Mw=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Source]
 
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eberline-E600-Datalogging-Digital-Scaler-Radiation-Monitor-Ratemeter-/322281822039?hash=item4b097e5757:g:rY0AAOSw8gVX8o05&nma=true&si=HVaE3nVG2WUBhIxc+gfwulGC6Mw=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Source]
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Sold for $150
 
Sold for $150
  
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== eBay 2 ==
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===eBay 2===
  
 
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBERLINE-E600-DIGITAL-SCALER-RATEMETER-RADIATION-MONITOR-X4/192112073195?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=1&asc=41375&meid=07f7682620824558bd9dc07d58259dad&pid=100011&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=322281822039&autorefresh=true Source]
 
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBERLINE-E600-DIGITAL-SCALER-RATEMETER-RADIATION-MONITOR-X4/192112073195?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=1&asc=41375&meid=07f7682620824558bd9dc07d58259dad&pid=100011&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=322281822039&autorefresh=true Source]
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Trying to acquire
 
Trying to acquire
  
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= RM-24 =
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==RM-24==
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==Ball==
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McMaster has two of these
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*First did not have sensor
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*Second has sensor
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**N WOOD
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**MODEL: G-5-1
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**SERIAL: G37855
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**PLATEAU: 1550 - 1750
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**SPECS: 600cm 119
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**https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/proportional-counters/neutron-detectors/nancy-wood-bf3.html
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***

Latest revision as of 04:30, 18 December 2022

Now a subsidiary of Thermo Scientific

Info on getting my alpha probes working

Recent thread on reading iButton: [1]

Thermo Electron Smart connector

  • XLR7 mini?
    • No its 7 male pins + 1 HV pin
  • Manual refers to it as "YP11579050 smart probe harness"
  • Disassembled more: VIKING … 12

SHP380AB

Connector: calling the connector with 7 male pins and 1 female pins "male" since its predominately male. This is the connector used on sensors (and meter too probably). Female HV pin is pin 1. Looking into the male connector with the female HV socket at the bottom, pin 2 clockwise from it and continues. The center pin is pin 8.

My pin Sch pin Sch label What Color
1 1
HV COAX
HV+ Coax-center
+800 V nomal

1300 V max
2 2 BRAID
HV common

Chassis		 Coax-shield
3 3 SIGNAL GROUND 1Wire-GND White-Black
4 6 TOUCH MEMORY 1Wire-D White-Red
5 7 +5V N/C flying White-Orange
6 8 NON-MEMORY PROBE N/C flying White-Yellow
7 4 BRAID
HV common

Chassis		 Coax-shield
8 5 MEMORY PROBE 1Wire-GND White-Green

Eberline shp-380 shp-380 schem.png

Straight: anode? Higher voltage

Other, usually curved, must be cathode then

Dallas ds1996-pinout.jpg

Picture showing reading iButton out: [2]

Power

  • 70M dynode string draws nominal 11.4 uA @ 800V
  • 1300V max

Manuals/Eberline/HP-380 and SHP-380/HP-380AB SHP-380AB HP-380A SHP-380A Technical Manual1.pdf Manual link

Manual

  • Typical units
    • Eberline E-600
    • Eberline RM-24
  • HP: MHV connector, no memory
  • Different phosphor plates
    • HP/SHP-380A: single for alpha
    • HP/SHP-380AB: dual for alpha + beta
  • Active area: 2.72" x 5.7" => 100 cm**2
  • Window thickness
    • HP/SHP-380AB: 0.87 mg/cm2 aluminum plastic film
    • HP/SHP-380A: 0.58 mg/cm2 aluminum plastic film
    • Mylar
  • Alpha efficiency
    • Source: 1/32" plated Pu-239
    • HP/SHP-380AB: 18% typical, 4pi
    • HP/SHP-380A: 21% typical, 4pi
  • SHP connector
    • Eberline smart probe
    • Cable: CA-100-xx
      • xx = length in inches
      • 36, 60 standard
    • Simple HV cable adapter
      • CA-99-xx

** Marketed "MHV to Eberline smart probe" but works for smart probe to MHV as well

      • CA-102-xx: BNC to eberline smart probe
      • CA-103-xx: CP-1 connector
  • Recommend no more than 0.25" from aplha source
  • WinE600 computer program used to calibrate?
    • Sounds like it has automated checkout
  • Recommends using lacquer to repair punctured window
  • Strongly warns against using solvents on scintilator
  • No evidence scintilator is super sensitive to moisure
  • Has rough schematic w/ pinout
Pin Label
1 HV COAX
2 BRAID
3 SIGNAL GROUND
4 BRAID
5 MEMORY PROBE
6 TOUCH MEMORY
7 +5V N/C If N/C, how is the memory powered? Unclear above signals
8 NON-MEMORY PROBE N/C

Probe comes apart very easily by unscrewing either side of the PMT assembly. PMT markings

  • TUBE TYPE: PB29B02H-1

PCB is very simple…basically the resistor chain in the schematic plus two capacitors. Mixed 0603 resistors + through hole capacitors

Electrical tape blob…memory? Not terrible, but could be more elegant. Round…Dallas iButton? ⇒ 1wire if so

An iButton!

  • DS1993L-F5
  • IBUTTON MEMORY 4KBit F5
  • [3]
  • BusPirate? [4]

Wire colors

  • Black: ground
  • Red: ibutton-. Tied to red
  • Yellow: N/C
  • Green: ibutton-. Tied to red
  • Orange


eBay 1

Source

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Seller has 7 of them. Wants 300 each

eBay 2

Seller had two of them. Wanted 140 each. After a bit of back and forth, this is what I purchased 2 @ 120 each. They might have more…have sold 3 so far, listing 2 at a time

One has NAVSEADET sticker. "NAVSEADET stands for Naval Sea Systems Command Detachment". Mine didn't have it when it arrived, so must have been stock photo from earlier auction

E-600

Manuals/Eberline/E-600/ Bunch of stuff here

eBay 1

Source

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Sold for $150

eBay 2

Source

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Trying to acquire

RM-24

Ball

McMaster has two of these

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